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Till We Have Faces: Chapter 17 January 16, 2007

Posted by Danielle in Till We Have Faces by C.S. Lewis.

We are discussing chapter 17. Leave and check out comments below.



1. bethany3boys - January 16, 2007

I love the whole part in this chapter when Orual is going back and forth with Trunia who thinks she must be some beauty under that veil. It was fun to read along and imagine how Orual was enjoying this moment. This chapter also was a point I could not put down the book wanting to get to the fight between Orual and Argan.

2. heather - January 19, 2007

I agree with you, Bethany. It’s almost like Orual could imagine herself beautiful for just a little while.

This quote cracked me up. Bardia has just clued Fox in on the idea that Orual wants to fight for Trunia herself. “And she could do it too. We’ve had scores of matches together. The gods never made anyone — man or woman — with a better natural gift for it. Oh, Lady, Lady, it’s a thousand pities they didn’t make you a man.” Here’s the funny part that followed in parentheses: “He spoke it as kindly and heartily as could be; as if a man dashed a gallon of cold water in your broth and never doubted you’d like it all the better.” p. 197. Lewis seems to have no qualms poking fun at the cluelessness of his own sex!

You see in this chapter the gradual “killing” of Orual and the “birthing” of the Queen. It’s interesting how she refers to each as if they are two separate people: “Ever since Arnom had said hours ago that the King was dying, there seemed to have been another woman acting and speaking in my place. Call her the Qeen; but Orual was someone different and now I was Orual again.” p. 199. As the Queen she is confident in her ability to kill Argan; as Orual she is not. She sees Argan as the gods’ executioner, sent to carry out their sentence. She seems to be trying to talk herself into the idea that by “queening it” she will be able to soften the blow. “If Orual could vanish altogether into the Queen, the gods would almost be cheated.” p. 201

3. Danielle - January 19, 2007

Good point Heather. It’s almost like Orual wants to make up for her own faults and shame by doing good as Queen. She makes a point later of talking about all the good she’s done for her country. She wants to become completely “The Queen” without any of Orual’s baggage, it would seem. It’s almost a “good works” mentality. Sorry, I don’t have the book on me to back myself up with quotes . . .

4. bethany3boys - January 20, 2007

Heather that is funny…I didn’t even notice that remark. I enjoyed this book too much and read it too fast.

I did notice that separation between the Queen and Orual herself it was almsot like she become two differnt people at times I forgot about Orual’s past and the burden she was carrying because she just seemed like a strong amazing Queen. It is interesting the thought about the gods being cheated by this…very true.

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