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Till We Have Faces: Chapter 13 January 10, 2007

Posted by Danielle in Till We Have Faces by C.S. Lewis.
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1. bethany3boys - January 12, 2007

I think this chapter really shows Orual doesn’t know what she believes. She has seen the palace she has listened to Bardia’s thoughts on the events and now the Fox’s. She seems easily swayed by words and thoughts. I found it ironic that she never mentions seeing the palace to either Bardia or Fox, like somehow mentioning that she thought she saw something would make her like Psyche she wanted something more logical to base her faith in (like many of us). It is interesting to watch how in her mind she begins justifying half truths or not telling the whole story so as to fit in her plans and her control.

2. Michelle - January 12, 2007

I noticed that too– that she doesn’t want to confess that she may have seen the palace. Interesting…

3. Ashleigh - January 15, 2007

I wonder if all the philosophy the Fox has taught Orual — all these lessons in thinking rationally and seeing if something is “natural” — are part of the reason she’s having so much difficulty believing Pysche’s story. The palace and the god himself are not things that make sense in the realm of the natural. Perhaps studying so much Greek philosophy has robbed her of her faith.

I think we can compare this to our current society. It’s important for us to be schooled in great literature, art, science, etc. However, as Christians, do we ever allow what the secular community is teaching us to influence what we believe?

Ted often gets into online debates on evolution. There are Christians who believe that creationism and darwinsim are compatible. They choose not to take the Bible literally, but instead mix it with the theories of men that have no basis in Scripture. Perhaps being too immersed in what the “world” teaches can hinder our faith?

4. heather - January 16, 2007

What bothers me in this chapter is that Orual is intentionally leaving out a significant detail in her story, without really explaining why she does so. Is she really just afraid of being considered mad, or is she actually making sure that the only conclusion either side (Bardia or Fox) can make is this: “For there was one point on which both agreed. Both thought that some evil or shameful thing had Psyche for its own. Murdering thief or spectral Shadowbrute — did it matter which? The one thing neither of them believed was that anything good or fair came to her in the night. No one but myself had dallied with that thought even for a moment. Why should they?” p. 151. She’s not giving them the opportunity to “dally with that thought,” because she holding back evidence. She admits a few lines later that she herself had that thought (of a good god coming at night) when she saw the palace, but she won’t admit that to either of her confidants. THAT bothers me about Orual!!

Even without knowing the whole truth, Fox seems to have the correct perception about Orual: “There’s one part love in your heart, and five parts anger, and seven parts pride.” p. 148.

5. Nicole - January 28, 2007

Heather, I too thought that line the Fox says toward Orual really nailed her to a wall. It made me begin to see Orual in a different light, opening up a new perception of the story.


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